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Benjamin, Pope John Paul II, St. Andrew's leave districts to create independent football conference
Monday, January 09, 2012
by
Matt Porter
In what is believed to be an unprecedented move in South Florida, a coalition of 14 small, mostly private schools in Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade Counties have withdrawn from their FHSAA-mandated football districts to create an independent conference for 2012.
The Benjamin School in North Palm Beach, Pope John Paul II and St. Andrew's in Boca Raton and John Carroll in Fort Pierce are the area schools that will join the new league, tentatively called the South Florida Football Conference. It will begin play in September and end its season with North and South Division winners playing for an independent conference championship. The move is only for football.
Football coaches and administrators from the area schools, who were a combined 11-28 last season, said the split allows them to compete with schools of similar size that put an extra emphasis on academics over athletics. There are currently no plans to include more schools, but that may be an option in the coming years.
"When we first talked about it, it was like a breath of fresh air," Pope John Paul II Athletic Director and Football Coach Matt Dillon said. "It just made the most sense for our schools."
By declaring their independence in football, the schools remain bylaw-abiding members of the FHSAA, but are not eligible to participate in the state football playoffs. Instead, they will play a 10-game schedule with a built-in playoff system that involves all of the conference's 14 teams. The best players will earn all-conference recognition.
The move means Benjamin and Pope John will break from District 7-3A, leaving American Heritage, Cardinal Newman, King's Academy, Pahokee and Fort Lauderdale-Calvary Christian. John Carroll will exit District 4-3A. St. Andrew's will remain independent.
It also means the schools won't struggle against seemingly superior teams. For years there have been allegations by county coaches of schools, both public and private, bending FHSAA rules to attract players. Private schools are seen as freer to do so since they lack attendance boundaries and can offer financial aid packages.
"We're not trying to throw anybody under the bus," Dillon said. "They do things their way, we do things our way. Our way is, we're going to follow the letter of the law. We're excited and happy to be members of the FHSAA, and we're going to follow those rules. We're excited to be forming this league."
In the coming weeks, the conference will name a commissioner and create bylaws. Several sources involved in the process said those bylaws will include regulation of transfer student-athletes into member schools. They also will detail the process for entry into and dismissal from the conference.
A handful of the involved schools met at the time of last year's biannual FHSAA district realignment to discuss going independent, but the task proved too daunting at the time. They declared their independence in December.
"If you're coming to Benjamin for just football - or even athletics - you're coming to the wrong place," Benjamin Athletic Director Ryan Smith said. "We're preparing kids for the next 60 to 80 years of their lives. Not just in the short term, winning football games. We feel this league helps us accomplish that goal."
St. Andrew's, which previously could not take part in any playoffs because it was an independent, looks forward to vying for a championship.
"The last three games of the season, my coaches are worn out trying to motivate the kids," St. Andrew's football coach George McCartin sad. "The kids are playing for pride, that's all they're playing for. This is a really neat concept."
The two proposed divisions will consist of seven teams, many of whom already play one another. The North will be made up of Benjamin, Coral Springs Charter, John Carroll, Pine Crest, Pope John Paul II, St. Andrew's and Westminster Academy. The South Division is comprised of Coral Shores, Florida Christian, Marathon, Miami Country Day, Miami Curley, Miami La Salle and Ransom Everglades.
"We anticipate this possibly could grow," Smith said. "We wouldn't be doing this if we didn't think it would be a good thing. You've got teams with tremendous history. You've got teams that have been around for 50-plus years that have decided to do this. We've put a lot of thought into this, and we're gong to make sure this is a great experience for the schools and the student-athletes."
Coaches acknowledged that by creating their own conference, they could be seen as hiding from top-flight competition. They preferred to be realistic.
"Winning and losing is important to us," Benjamin football coach Ron Ream said. "We're all competitors. But you want to know that when you roll up your sleeves and work hard, you've got a chance. Some of us now roll up our sleeves and know we're not going to have a chance.
"It was so refreshing to sit there and listen to the other schools saying the same thing. We're all trying to do the same thing. Boy, was it refreshing."
SOUTH FLORIDA FOOTBALL CONFERENCE
NORTH DIVISION: Benjamin, Coral Springs Charter, John Carroll, Pine Crest (Fort Lauderdale), Pope John Paul II, St. Andrew's, Westminster Academy (Fort Lauderdale).
SOUTH DIVISION: Archbishiop Curley (Miami), Coral Shores (Tavernier), Florida Christian (Miami), LaSalle (Miami), Marathon, Miami Country Day, Ransom Everglades (Miami).
WHO THEY'LL PLAY: Six games against division opponents, one game against opposite division, one open game. Each team will finish its schedule by Week 8. THE PLAYOFFS: Weeks 9 and 10 are reserved for a playoff tournament involving all teams. Week 11 is a bye week. In Week 12, the North and South winners will play for the conference championship.
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User Comments:
TelltheTruth commented on January 9, 2012 at 9:32 p.m.: report abuse
It’s ironic that when you can’t compete or things don’t work in your favor the next best thing to do is change the rules to the game! I never thought the day would come when kids or penalize for being superior athletes! Because my son can’t compete or isn’t the first, second or third option, I change the dynamics of the game! Weight limit was introduced in recreational football, must play rule where all participants must play and mercy rule where the dominating team must pull their starters out the game regardless of the quarter. There is a litany of changes that have been injected to fit little Johnny or Jerome who are not athletic but promising players are penalize and stereotyped has jocks with little education. You want to prepare kids for the next 60 to 80 years? Tell me who you would rather hire the kid with straight A’s or the kid with the B+ on a curve or the kid that works hard at his trade and very knowledgeable or the kid who inherited the company or took the crash course. Yeah right, I don’t see concession being made for the less educated kids who have been deprived of funding and resources in urban areas. What loser would say Winning is not everything! Tell that to the several big corporations and political parties who spend millions to WIN elections so they can change the rules to the game.
@tellthetruth commented on January 9, 2012 at 9:53 p.m.: report abuse
What's ironic is that these school had to take such drastic measures because the FHSAA has done nothing to stop American Heritage from years of blatanly breaking the rules. Your championships mean nothing.
Justaparent commented on January 9, 2012 at 9:56 p.m.: report abuse
This is probably the best thing for these schools. With recruiting rampant in public and private schools, it is an interesting option. Most realistic way to deal with the truth, that most kids are not able to enjoy the athletic experience when they are stacked against these jacked teams.
CtownFan commented on January 9, 2012 at 9:58 p.m.: report abuse
Good for them!!!!!
Success to them. commented on January 9, 2012 at 10:05 p.m.: report abuse
It's a great idea. They should do that with soccer, softball and baseball too. The concept is a good one. Success to the new league and may they add soccer, baseball and softball to the conference and edit the name in to "South Florida Small School Sports Federation". ( SFSSSF)
New conference player commented on January 9, 2012 at 10:24 p.m.: report abuse
Although I don't like the idea of not having the ability to participate in the FHSAA playoffs, i also dont like the idea of having to compete against teams who are superior only because of their methods in recruiting players and building teams. Anyone who truly thinks that teams like AH havent wrongfully recruited players into their football programs is clueless. Even the players and ex coaches from schools like AH admit to the wrongdoings within their athletic programs. So anyone that says anything about how they play fair and we're just jealous is wrong.
Nuff said commented on January 9, 2012 at 10:33 p.m.: report abuse
Sounds to me that these schools are placing athletics in the proper perspective. Sports are a part of the High School experience not the sole reason for showing up. The kids in these schools work hard at academics and fit football around studies. They will enter some top universities because of their grades and not even be looked at for a D1 program or scholarship. They will end up employing the kids who go to the football mills and never crack a book. Their life will be much richer for having balance.
ed smith commented on January 9, 2012 at 10:34 p.m.: report abuse
great idea - good luck - being a pioneer is tough
Good Move commented on January 9, 2012 at 11:29 p.m.: report abuse
I think it is a good thing for the small schools,it will not affect ayone.And I agree these schools are placing athletics in the proper perspective.Its not fun going out there and not being able to compete or to be someones punching bag on a friday nite.
And for the couple of schools hell bent on being state champs at any cost,have at it!
Good Move commented on January 9, 2012 at 11:33 p.m.: report abuse
I think it is a good thing for the small schools,it will not affect ayone.And I agree these schools are placing athletics in the proper perspective.Its not fun going out there and not being able to compete or to be someones punching bag on a friday nite.
And for the couple of schools hell bent on being state champs at any cost,have at it!
Fhsaa stinks commented on January 9, 2012 at 11:41 p.m.: report abuse
great idea. glad to see someone who will not be at the mercy of the fhsaa.
observer commented on January 10, 2012 at midnight: report abuse
What a bunch of whiners and losers! The top schools, like Cardinal Newman, seek to compete against the best - in academics and athletics - not against the worst! Hint to clueless administrators - hire quality coaches like Steve Walsh - then you won't have to make excuses for your poorly-run athletic programs.
pbc commented on January 10, 2012 at 12:28 a.m.: report abuse
Add the hill into it they may have a winning season
To Mr Observer commented on January 10, 2012 at 6:53 a.m.: report abuse
Who is the loser,they are not claiming to be powerhouse football programs and their move will not affect anyone.And your crap about quility coaches like Walsh is nonsense.Its ovious you know nothing about Newman or you would not be running your mouth or stir the pot about them.
To Mr Observer commented on January 10, 2012 at 7:03 a.m.: report abuse
Who is the loser,they are not claiming to be powerhouse football programs and their move will not affect anyone.And your crap about quility coaches like Walsh is nonsense.Its ovious you know nothing about Newman or you would not be running your mouth or stir the pot about them.
smart commented on January 10, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.: report abuse
smart,smart,smart,,i think that a great,smart
THE REAL WORLD commented on January 10, 2012 at 8:38 a.m.: report abuse
WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TEACHING THIS KIDS. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ITS TIME TO LEAVE THE NEST. SO IF THEY DONT WANT TO GET BET UP ON FRIDAYS NIGHTS MAYBE THEY SHOULD PLAY SOME THING ELSE HAVE ANYONE ASK THE KIDS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. AS YOU MOVE UP IN LIFE THINGS GETS HARDER THATS JUST THE WAY IT IS. SO IF THEY ARE NOT D1 PLAYERS OR D2 OR D3 WHY ARE THEY PLAYING JUST HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE BOOKS
joke commented on January 10, 2012 at 8:52 a.m.: report abuse
Real World have a clue these kids at these school will be the bosses in the work world and AH and a few other school will be looking for jobs
Jesse commented on January 10, 2012 at 9:32 a.m.: report abuse
I wonder why Jupiter Christian or Glades Day weren't invited. Oh thats right because they can compete against the big boys.
opoe commented on January 10, 2012 at 9:38 a.m.: report abuse
YES Jesse,GD and JC do a great job of bringing kids in also ,my gosh your so smart
Raising them up soft commented on January 10, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.: report abuse
we are talking about a few small schools and saying their reason for doing this is because they are losing on the field and the recruiting battle. Lets get real Pahokee has taken a beating of the past few years but I have not heard one complaint from their coaches, players, or fans why is that? Forest Hill has taken a beaten over the last decade by kids who suppose to go there instead of dwyer, lakes, john I, lake worth and etc, Spanish River has loss kids and taken a beating, Boynton has loss kids and have taken a beating and the list goes on. But the complaints comes from spoil brats, and parents of spoil brats and coaches that are trying to cover of the fact of bad coaching. And then you guys make the statement that AH, Dwyer kids will be asking for jobs from the private school kids are you serious? News those kids at dwyer and AH get their school payed for by athletics and can earn the same degree those other private school kids earn with a chance of advancing their careers in football, basketball or any other sport they choose to play. A fact football open a lot of doors in life, but to make an excuse for losing then run and form something that will be trash to watch doesnt make sense to me, why not put all teams in that league that have not had success over the years?
Observer commented on January 10, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.: report abuse
@Raising them up soft- I've heard tons of people from the schools you mentioned (PK, Forest Hill, River) complain. Is it better to just complain or actually do something about it?
D.L.H commented on January 10, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.: report abuse
It is not coaching. This goes beyond coaching.This is smart. Public schools cannot participate. They are under different guide lines. My boys were recruited, as 8th, and 7th graders. 6'1" 235 Lbs., and 6' 3" 265 Lbs. I played at 6'8" 320 lbs. I will not let my boys be swayed by a program that blatently recruits. The object is a fair league that competes for compitition sake. The key is enviornment, and education. This goes with tradition, and values. The offending school has little of the mentioned. I like the idea of my boys going to MIT, Harvard, U of Chicago etc.
@observer commented on January 10, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.: report abuse
Doing something about it is not going out forming another conference thats running and if I had a son that go to one of those schools im pulling him out. Also me being around I have never heard one kid from pahokee or coach mention 1 thing about that so I dont know who you have been listening to Heck they play Glades Central every year so why complain about Hertiage? Forest hill kids just happy to be out there competeing with the hope of one day it will turn around and spanish river showed that they are getting better. But again teach the kids hard work and failure is not always a bad thing we all lose in something but stand up and go back and keep trying instead of running out looking for the easy way. Let me make this clear I dont like whats happening either with all the illegal recruiting thats going on but I truly think its more of the kids and parents sending their kids there than the coaches recruiting them but i can be wrong on that but I think its more of the parents. If those kids are true athletes it means more beating teams like pahokee and AH instead of a school with a 5'3 QB.
@D.L.H commented on January 10, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.: report abuse
"It is not coaching. This goes beyond coaching.This is smart. Public schools cannot participate. They are under different guide lines. My boys were recruited, as 8th, and 7th graders. 6'1" 235 Lbs., and 6' 3" 265 Lbs. I played at 6'8" 320 lbs"
The article said some small and private so why you feel that public can't participate? and what guidelines we are talking about? And if your sons are that big it should not matter who they step on the field with at a high school level. And your right we want all of our children to get that type of education as well but you missing that fact that they can still get that type of education at Duke, Stanford, Maryland and Cal and still enjoy playing the game at a high level
RICJAM commented on January 10, 2012 at 12:06 p.m.: report abuse
Berean Christian should join those schools as well.
NeilFish commented on January 10, 2012 at 12:40 p.m.: report abuse
To the folks out there saying that certain losing schools out there are not complaining (aka: not leaving the FHSAA) and that schools like Benjamin and PJP are pussies for giving up, you need to understand one thing; Schools like Pahokee and Forest Hill HAVE ATHLETES. They just suck and hope they will be able to turn around their programs. Glades Day, American Heritage and Jupiter Christian HAVE ATHLETES, albeit they may have recruited half of them. These schools leaving their conferences do not have athletes to compete with the American Heritages, etc...
For example, you can't ask an Ivy League football program to be able to compete with the likes of SEC and ACC schools. It's not fair to punish the kids because their school does not bring in the type of athletes that some do. Coaching at many of these superior academic schools is on par with the likes of Glades Central, Dwyer, Heritage, Glades Day, etc. They just do not have the tools.
Rubbish commented on January 10, 2012 at 1:13 p.m.: report abuse
So what about a public school like Forest Hill or Suncoast? They can't compete either... can they join this newly formed society?
@Rubbish commented on January 10, 2012 at 1:21 p.m.: report abuse
Thanks because you see my point
Knowledge commented on January 10, 2012 at 3:27 p.m.: report abuse
They are called STUDENT athletes not the other way around. My son is just as good an athlete as any of the kids in public school he just happens to carry a 4.0 gpa. I'm not pulling him out of private school just so he can play on a winning team. your athletic career is but so long.
rich kids commented on January 10, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.: report abuse
Just a bunch of rich kids from prep schools creating their own league so they don't get beat up by the big public school kids.
come clean commented on January 10, 2012 at 3:53 p.m.: report abuse
The new football conference is nothing less than an indictment of the Fhsaa's failure to aggressively enforce its own rules concerning recruitment. It would be a great public service if the Post would start investigating and asking questions of the FHSAA concerning the number of recruitment investigations it has conducted over the past three years and the results, if any. Would also be great for the Post to ask for information from coaches, administrators and the public concerning recruitment of players in this area in all sports. Would respect the coaches and administrators much more if they pooled their efforts to combat recruitment rather than run from the problem and form this new conference. No doubt there are at least several coaches and schools that are using the recruitment issue as an excuse for their own failures.
SCOT PARENT commented on January 10, 2012 at 4:35 p.m.: report abuse
@ SA its not that we dont have kids to compete! WE only have coaches that are coaching for pride. This is a problem and they need to be fired! "The last three games of the season, my coaches are worn out trying to motivate the kids," St. Andrew's football coach George McCartin sad. "The kids are playing for pride, that's all they're playing for..MAC PLEASE QUIT
win or lose commented on January 10, 2012 at 4:36 p.m.: report abuse
NO MATTER WHAT SFSSSF) SOME ONE WILL STILL WIN AND LOSE SO WHAT WILL HAPPPEN TO THE LOSING TEAM AFTER THREE OR FOURS YEARS OF LOSING WILL THEY START CRYING PLEASE LET ME NO.
Pope alum commented on January 10, 2012 at 6:33 p.m.: report abuse
Here is the reality of this, there are student athletes at Pope who do not pay a cent, my son went there and to be honest he plays d1 football and was a pretty good player. Another thing,our quote scholarship came from a booster who paid our tuition. So please each one of these schools has there own method of getting kids in. What's funny is the guy paying our tuition transferred his own son , first to Heritage for one day, said he was disappointed he did not stick it out,then next week he was at Boca High. I watched American Heritage play over the Christmas holidays and I have to be honest, they really are the best coached group I have seen in some time. Yes , tlmenplayers transfer there, but you cannot blame parents for wanting the best football education for there children if that's what they are trying to pursue. I can guarantee one thing, losing sucks, but teaching your child to take the easy path to successful is a worse crime. ......
Pope alum commented on January 10, 2012 at 6:35 p.m.: report abuse
Here is the reality of this, there are student athletes at Pope who do not pay a cent, my son went there and to be honest he plays d1 football and was a pretty good player. Another thing,our quote scholarship came from a booster who paid our tuition. So please each one of these schools has there own method of getting kids in. What's funny is the guy paying our tuition transferred his own son , first to Heritage for one day, said he was disappointed he did not stick it out, then next week he was at Boca High. I watched American Heritage play over the Christmas holidays and I have to be honest, they really are the best coached group I have seen in some time. Yes , players transfer there, but you cannot blame parents for wanting the best football education for there children if that's what they are trying to pursue. I can guarantee one thing, losing sucks, but teaching your child to take the easy path to success is a worse crime. ......
Finally commented on January 10, 2012 at 9:55 p.m.: report abuse
The Ivy league vs SEC was a great analogy, these schools can't compete because they don't bring in players, after getting abused by AHS and their methods they just want an opportunity to play on a level field. If your only goal is D1 then your not going any of these schools. Why should anyone other than these schools care?
@opoe commented on January 10, 2012 at 10:50 p.m.: report abuse
who does Glades day Bring in absoulouty no one you may have kids come from other schools because they know they were a two time champion but i do not think they were recruits what big names have you heard about beside Kelvin Taylor?
TelltheTruth commented on January 11, 2012 at 12:58 a.m.: report abuse
I wonder if this was the other way around would we be having this conversation. If these private schools were dominating their respective districts or sports, would they have this same argument or concede modifications! I don’t think so!
“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”
Frederick Douglass
@haters commented on January 11, 2012 at 2:14 a.m.: report abuse
It is unbelievable how so many people bash these smaller schools. What's it to you? How are you effected by this action? Last time I checked, we live in a free country and have the right to do such things. Call them "cry-babies", "complainers" or whatever you want, but in the end, you drilling these schools only reveals your ignorance and stupidity.
pope commented on January 11, 2012 at 7:55 a.m.: report abuse
Tell the truth ,,helloooooooooo AH PVT SCHOOL DOMINATING their district
Scot Parent commented on January 11, 2012 at 8:31 a.m.: report abuse
How is that, everytime we as parents, players, and fans comment about SA horrible football program it gets deleted? Mac Please Quit!
Palm Beach Post Reader commented on January 11, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.: report abuse
Clearly, the Palm Beach Post is censoring the comments on this article. Scot Parent is right, the negative comments on the Saint Andrew's coach have been deleted. This is not the first time. Towards the end of the football season a whole thread which was basically a commentary on the Saint Andrew's football program was deleted. Yesterday, a poster, now deleted, said that the St. Andrew's coach uses intimidation and retriubution to run his program. This is his opinion and he is entitled to it. Has the Post ever considered that if this is true, that the Post's blog, becuase it allows one to remain anonymous, might be the only avenue these people might have to express their frustrations with their coach and program. Let the people have their say. We are talking about freedom of the press.
@Pope commented on January 11, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.: report abuse
Pope John Paul are you serious? I remember Charles Fredricks (ET) Was recruited by Pope and Played four years there (Free) So when did they stop recruiting?
@Benjamin commented on January 11, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.: report abuse
And Benjamin as well so stop being a hypocrite and more people will respect the move you guys are making. Because its dirt coming from Benjamin and Pope just say your making the move because it gives you a better chance of winning instead of this education crap and illegal recruiting.
show you right commented on January 11, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.: report abuse
tell it like it is you are right they all do it.
KNOWLEGE commented on January 11, 2012 at 11:16 a.m.: report abuse
STOP BLAMING COACH MAC, IF YOUR KID SUCKS ITS BECAUSE HE RATHER BE ON VACATION ALL SUMMER RATHER THAN IN THE WEIGHT ROOM OR ON THE TRACK WORKING OUT GETTING READY FOR THE NEXT SEASON. YOU DONT GET BETTER AT PRACTICE, PRACTICE IS WHERE YOU LEARN THE GAME.
KNOWLEGE commented on January 11, 2012 at 11:16 a.m.: report abuse
STOP BLAMING COACH MAC, IF YOUR KID SUCKS ITS BECAUSE HE RATHER BE ON VACATION ALL SUMMER RATHER THAN IN THE WEIGHT ROOM OR ON THE TRACK WORKING OUT GETTING READY FOR THE NEXT SEASON. YOU DONT GET BETTER AT PRACTICE, PRACTICE IS WHERE YOU LEARN THE GAME.
@Scot Parent commented on January 11, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.: report abuse
It's not "we as parents", it's you. Stop using this forum to bash a good man. If you have a problem, take it thru the proper channels. We all know who you are anyhow, doctor, so give it a rest
WOW commented on January 11, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.: report abuse
Forgot all about ET and another they had that went to UW
WOW commented on January 11, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.: report abuse
Forgot all about ET and another they had that went to UW
Pope John Paul
WOW commented on January 11, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.: report abuse
Forgot all about ET and another they had that went to UW
Pope John Paul
KNOWLEDGE commented on January 11, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.: report abuse
LET YOUR CHILD GO TO ONE OF THESE POWER HOUSE FOOTBALL PROGRAMS GET NOTICED CAUSE THE TEAM MAKES THEM LOOK AND GO D1. THEY WILL THEN GET REDSHIRTED THE FIRST YEAR EXPOSED THE SECOND YEAR ON THE FIELD AND WIND UP GOING TO A COMMUNITY COLLEGE. THAT DEGREE WILL GET HIM A GREAT JOB AT WALMART.
John Tompson commented on January 11, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.: report abuse
This is not the first -- A group of schools from pasco county and a few others bailed on districts a few years back... The reality is that Parents nor modern day kids cant handle losing and they would rather play schools that little johny can feel great against. Its all formed from youth league. If you cant play for a team you leave it and join another aau team. If you cant play for that team then your dad creates a team. High school is disapointing now,,,, Second issue does this now mean that you can miss practice and still play or that you dont have to practice as long or coach as hard( sadly I have seen it happen as I was at one of the schools who did it ) After a year or two the kids realized they didnt have to work as hard to be competative as the school and coach handled that with their scheduling.. ITs really a bad thing that just keeps moving up in age.
Random commented on January 11, 2012 at 2:19 p.m.: report abuse
Saint Andrews recruits like crazy and even Boards out of state "elite" players for lacrosse. They then turn around and say they can't compete with those schools who recruit in football.
What a bunch of BS. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
@ Knowledge commented on January 11, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.: report abuse
Doctor? Funny to see you are pointing fingers at someone? Can, you please get me the schedule of the summer workouts? Probably not, because there never has been any, besides me paying Athletes Edge to train my kid. Also, please explain in detail, how can track benefit my son, when we have coaches who can't teach proper technique. Think Mac is on that staff. YOU DONT GET BETTER AT PRACTICE, PRACTICE IS WHERE YOU LEARN THE GAME? Not a good statement, really makes no sense, I'm sure no one reading this would agree with it also. Mac Please Quit!!!
@ Knowledge commented on January 11, 2012 at 4 p.m.: report abuse
Will never send my son to a POWER HOUSE FOOTBALL PROGRAM! Because we are here for LAX. Working at Wal - Mart, Funny! Nice to see you poke fun at people who didn't get the same amount of money from there parents like yourself. Mac Please Quit!
KNOWLEDGE commented on January 11, 2012 at 4:09 p.m.: report abuse
ITS OBVIOUS THAT YOU NEVER PLAYED A SPORT IN YOUR LIFE. YOU MAKE A TEAM BECAUSE YOU HAVE SKILL, NOT BECAUSE YOU JUST SHOW UP FOR TRYOUTS. THE COACHES JOB IS TO TEACH YOU THE GAME AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT IS REQUIRED TO PLAY THE POSITION YOU ARE PLAYING. YOUR KID IS NOT WORKING OUT IN THE MORNING BEFORE SCHOOL AND IS NOT WORKING OUT AFTER PRACTICE. THE COACH CANT MAKE YOU LIFT WEIGHTS ON SATURDAY MORNING WHEN EVERYONE ELSE IS HOME SLEEPING YOU FOOL. BUT KIDS GET THERE WORK ETHIC FROM THE PARENTS AND NOW YOU KNOW WHY YOUR KID SUCKS.
KNOWLEDGE commented on January 11, 2012 at 4:13 p.m.: report abuse
MAC WILL LEAD US TO THE FIRST South Florida Football Conference CHAMPIONSHIP. YOUR KID WILL NOT MAKE THE ALLSTAR GAME, MAYBE HE CAN KEEP STATS OOPS! HE ALREADY DOES.
@ Knowledge commented on January 11, 2012 at 4:34 p.m.: report abuse
Maybe, you are right, I never probably played a sport in my life. But, you have no clue who I am therefore you will never know. YOU MAKE A TEAM BECAUSE YOU HAVE SKILL, NOT BECAUSE YOU JUST SHOW UP FOR TRYOUTS. Maybe this statement is true @ some other schools. But SA has a no cut policy unfortunately. Damn. Thank god for this rule my son gets to play 70% percent of the time for this shi**y program. HAHA .. Is Mac there training with the kids in the morning? I dont think so. Is, there any coaches willing to work out with the kids after practice? Probably not, because SA only plays for pride! You may think my kids sucks, but he gets lots of game time for SA, what does that say about the Coach/Program? Yes, my work ethic is very poor, this is why I'm sitting in a few million dollar home in Addison Reserve, while your typing from you desktop in a rented condo. Championship? HAHA Impossible Louie is gone. Keep Stats? Nah, not next year he will be a senior I think from his past stats Mac needs him bad. You Fool. Please Quit
KNOWLEDGE commented on January 11, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.: report abuse
I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'RE A BETTER COACH THAN MAC, MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE OVER. STOP CRTING SO MUCH.
@ Knowledge commented on January 11, 2012 at 5:02 p.m.: report abuse
Now we are talking, help me get him out, I'll show you what im capable of doing! Thanks. I can use the money! Mac Please Quit!
KNOWLEDGE commented on January 11, 2012 at 5:09 p.m.: report abuse
I THINK YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO PLAYING ANGRY BIRDS. I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'RE A PRO AT BEING ANGRY.
@ Knowledge commented on January 11, 2012 at 5:10 p.m.: report abuse
More of a golf guy! Check out the app tiger woods pga tour 2012. Mac Please Quit!
@ Knowledge commented on January 11, 2012 at 5:14 p.m.: report abuse
Funny, how you avoid answering any of my previous questions! You Fool! Mac Please Quit
KNOWLEDGE commented on January 11, 2012 at 5:15 p.m.: report abuse
TO ALL YOU THAT DONT THINK A GPA IS IMPORTANT AND JUST WANT YOUR KIDS TO PLAY FOR A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP AND GO D1 WHICH IS ALL WELL AND GOOD. JUST REMEMBER ITS NOT THAT HARD TO GO FROM DIVISION 1 TO THE DIVISION OF PARKS AND RECREATION, MAKE SURE THE GRASS IS CUT AND THE FIELD IS LINED THE SMART KIDS ARE PLAYING TONIGHT.
@ Knowledge commented on January 11, 2012 at 5:29 p.m.: report abuse
Okay, so now your saying lets now worry about our Mac problem, because its all about GPA? Steve Jobs,Thomas Edison dropped out of school. FYI. Not always about GPA's.
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FP Whitehat commented on January 13, 2012 at 7:21 a.m.: report abuse
These Teams are just doing what the FHSAA already does, but carrying it to an eqitable conclusion. Does a 1A or 2A school play an 8A School for the Championship??? NO!!!! This will be better for the Athletes at these Schools.
In fact, I see this snowballing !!
SmartMove commented on January 13, 2012 at 11:18 p.m.: report abuse
Great move by smart people. It is about time somone put sport in the proper place and set an example, and I agree it may snowball. The money in sports these days is a waste and needs to be corrected. It doesn't teach competition, it teaches arrogance and a fictional reality that for many comes to an end and throws them in the trash with nothing to turn to. College football has changed for the worse and what the Ivy League did years ago is no different than what these schools have done. Best statement that could be made and they should and are congratulated. Those that don't understand aren't the cream of any crop and should learn from those who understand what is better for the kids. AH, GD etc., are no different tha the NCAA violators like Ohio State, Auburn, etc., and you get tired of it. They have different priorities and that is fine for them. At least now parents can choose their priority- athletics or academics, for studen-athletes. Good move it will work for their benefit and be a model for many throughout the US.
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Unlike the offending schools who recruit, many of the schools who formed this new league require testing to get in, so academics is the priority and the issue. 90% of the All League athletes on the offending school teams couldn't academicly get into schools like St. Andrews, Benjamin, et al. So, yes, it is about athletics. I remember when Benjamin played some school from Miam for the regional championship. The whole team from Miami were convicted felons. Ivy League teams have no chance of beating Alabama, et al... they place academics first, rather than athletics. And yes, they will be the leaders of this country-- always have and always will. I agree with SmartMove fully.
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Here is a college perspective on the issue-- there are many others- the Ivy League had it right years ago:
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